Saturday, April 17, 2010

Oregon's Taxes

A question was asked in the blogs…”How do you feel about Clark Colvin's idea of introducing a sales tax?” Since I’ve been meaning to discuss taxes in the blogs, I wanted to start a new blog post to answer this question.

I gotta tell you, I really like and respect Clark. He know’s a lot about business and how financial systems work. Way more than I know. I don’t claim to be the smartest guy in the world about everything, or even about one single thing. What I am REALLY good at is finding smart people who are HONEST and LOYAL and working with them to solve problems and create solutions.

It doesn’t take a room full of smart people to see that Oregon’s current tax system is a disaster. If I sat down for one month and did nothing but try to come up with a worse tax system than what we have, I couldn’t do it. Even if I was being paid $10 million to do it. Our system is inefficient and extremely expensive. It was not designed to facilitate the needs of the tax payers. It was designed to facilitate the needs of politicians and the elite, which it does very well. If you’re rich and/or elite, the tax system is working well for you. If you’re not, you’re getting screwed by it. Although, you probably don’t even know it because the elite have controlled you to the point that you’re completely oblivious to how much taxes you actually pay to the state. So, for you who think you don’t pay taxes just because you don’t pay an income tax, you’re mistaken…and you’re a sucker.

I’ve heard Clark talk about this a few times and I hope he doesn’t think I’m stealing his idea. Mine is similar with a few key differences. I’m not going to try to explain Clark’s tax plan. You can see his on his website. I encourage you to do so.

Here’s mine.

First of all…and here’s where mine differs from Clarks from what I know based on what I’ve heard him say at the forums we’ve been at. I would eliminate every single tax and fee from every single government entity in Oregon. Every single city, county, and state tax, fee, or other creative way a government agency takes money from the citizen. This would include but now be limited to; auto registration fees, driver license renewal, fishing license, hunting license, income tax, property tax, gas tax, cigarette tax, beer tax, sporting goods tax, parking violation fines, speeding ticket fines, etc. There are hundreds of taxes on the books that the Oregon Department of Revenue is responsible to collect. Surprisingly, Oregonians don’t even know they’re being taxed in most cases.

Second, in light of ditching all of these taxes, I would eliminate the Department of Revenue. This would save $200 Million. On top of that, think of all the money saved by not sending out all the tax forms, pamphlets, and everything else that is income tax related.

Third, institute a consumption tax. This is what Clark advocates for. But mine is a little different than Clarks. There are a lot of reasons to like a consumption tax over an income and property tax. The main reason for me is that you can control it. If you don’t want to pay tax, don’t buy stuff. Or buy cheaper stuff. Or buy used stuff. My plan won’t tax used stuff. It won’t tax stuff you need to live like medicine, most food, some clothing, electricity, automobiles to a certain price, homes to a certain price (these things will need to be worked out in the final plan, but the idea is to make it so people who just want to live a simple life do not have to pay a lot of taxes).

Under this tax, all Oregonians will automatically have a fishing license, their driver license will always be paid for, their car registration will always be up to date, no more paying for trail head passes if you want to go hiking or skiing. Everything is completely paid for through the consumption tax. No more collecting receipts for your income tax at the end of the year. No more filling out income tax forms for Oregon. No more worrying about getting audited by the state. No more worrying about the state repossessing your home if you can’t pay your property tax at the end of the year.

*UPDATE* one more thing about this plan. The tax rate will adjust periodically. I'm thinking quarterly but it can be every six months or annually. Whatever works best. The adjustment will be based on an equation that will keep the state budget constantly balanced and the tax rate as low as possible. For instance, if more taxes are raised one quarter than expected, the next quarter the tax rate will be lowered. Or, if consumption is expected to be higher one quarter, say fourth quarter, the rate will be lowered for that quarter.

Life is going to be a hell of a lot less stressful in Oregon under this plan.

So you want to tax the rich people more? This plan will do exactly that. Rich people don’t sit on their money. They spend it and they’re going to be paying a hell of a lot more taxes than the poor people so don’t you worry, that evil rich guy is still gonna be paying his share in taxes.

This is going to have to be placed in the Constitution where it can’t be manipulated by the unscrupulous people we have running our government because you know damn well they will try to get around it and tax you some other way. But you and I can make it rock solid. I’m telling you, this plan will save Oregon from bankruptcy and put a hell of a lot of money back in your pocket as well as give our state more money to work with.

So, this blog entry isn’t the entire plan. It’s actually quite involved and extensive. If you have questions, please go ahead and ask. I hope this gives you a good general idea of the great things we can have in this state if we get rid of the crappy revenue system we have and replace it with a consumption tax. And let me say again, I’m not the smartest guy in the world. Put me in a room with a bunch of super smart people and we can make the world’s best tax system and implement it in Oregon in record time. AND without influence from big money special interest. It’s all for YOU.

10 comments:

  1. Well said Darren.

    The only flaw is that those paying no taxes while still playing video games and surfing the web, are not going to want to pay their share when its currently covered by someone else paying extra.

    We need to find a way to illustrate what their benefit is going to be. For some, having a job instead of unemployment checks is not necessarily a good thing.

    That check is guaranteed for a certain period of time which is addictive. A job could be lost with a simple flat tire.

    You are going to have to crunch numbers...compare the discretionary spending of the rich - in terms of a sales tax - to their actual contribution in income taxes.

    If you can show it with dollar signs, people will listen. Doing less, getting more...great combo!

    Don't give up.

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  2. I agree other than the demonization of the rich. Why? Because someone in their family worked their butts off to obtain this money? They should be able to spend it if they want. I don't believe that you should favor one group of items purchased over another. So someone wants to buy a boat to go fishing at the coast on and gets taxed but someone else who buys a car under a certain price doesn't get taxed on it? That's not right. That's favoritism. And the government shouldn't play favorites. It should be all or nothing. A set rate on the sales tax, or a flat tax. That's my opinion though.

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  3. Hey Josh, I hear ya man. In a perfect world, I totally agree. But we live in Oregon. If we want a conservative Governor, we're gonna have to give a little. You know the liberals love to tax the rich. This is a way to do it without taxing the HELL out of them (the rich) like we're doing now and still not taxing the poorest of the poor which is something else the liberals insist on. We all gotta give a little to get A LOT.

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  4. Beloved Empress (love it),

    Those who wish to sit on their lazy ass, playing video games and collecting video games will like my plan. They won't have to go to DMV or DEQ anymore. They still won't have to pay tax on their chips and energy drinks. They'll be able to buy their computer stuff used and avoid the sales tax. Their unemployment check won't be taxed. No property tax so their rent will go down. No tax or fee on their energy so they can play games longer for the same price. No cell phone taxes so they can sext and never leave home. It's really a sweet deal for them. And if they ever do want to leave their house and say...go fishing. They won't need to worry about getting a fishing license. It's covered.

    As far as crunching the numbers for the rich...we could certainly do that. But if you figure that: 1. We're going to pretty much eliminate waste. 2. We're going to drastically cut government spending. 3. Income is going to be spread more evenly among the population...You can assume that the burden on the rich who are now carrying most of the burden will take on much less under these new circumstances.

    You know your stuff Mistress, please let me know if I'm missing something here :)

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  5. Another IndependentMay 7, 2010 at 10:18 AM

    Consumption tax works when you look at the middle class and higher... makes perfect sense... rich people spend more, therefore pay more.

    It gets broken when you get to lower incomes. Look at it from low income to middle income. When people's spending is primarily on necessities and not discretionary... The family of 4 making $30K spends the same amount on needs as the family of 4 making $50K... but their 'effective tax rate' is much higher. They are paying a higher % of their income in taxes.

    While the gross amount of taxes is the same (which some might argue is the right thing to do since both families probably use the same amount of government services), the impact of the tax to the lower income family is much greater.

    Also, defending this 'they pay the same taxes and that's OK since they use the same amount of services' argument is a bad defense to use, since the rich guy uses the same amount of services (or less if he sends his kids to private schools) but pays a lot more.

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  6. Another Independent...thank you for a good post. But I think I'm missing your point.

    "The family of 4 making $30K spends the same amount on needs as the family of 4 making $50K... but their 'effective tax rate' is much higher. They are paying a higher % of their income in taxes."

    Who is "they"?

    Under this plan, if a family only spends money on needs, they pay virtually no taxes.

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  7. I have a question: if there were no aforementioned government taxes, then what would be the incentive for a person to drive the speed limit or park where they are supposed to park? I agree that there are some absolutely pointless and stupid fees levied by the government, but others actually make some sense.

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  8. OK...Let's think outside of the building the box is sitting in. Is taking a person's money the only way to punish a person or incentivize a person to not do something wrong? I don't think so. Another question. If you get a speeding ticket that costs say $500 does that hurt you? It would me. But would it hurt Phil Knight? Probably not. So does that really incentivize him not to speed? Now, if you and Phil both got caught speeding and you both were sentenced to two hours of community service, would that be more fair? Would that maybe incentivize Phil to not speed? Time is the same for EVERYONE, money is not.

    Also, the police should be there to protect and serve first and foremost. Their second job is to enforce traffic law. They should have no place in raising revenue. This practice is completely wrong.

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  9. I must say, even though I am a liberal, your candidacy intrigues me. You're not afraid to say what you think and to think outside the box, even though it might not get you the same amount of votes that it might your competitors. I might not agree with every one of your political beliefs, but if all politicians were practicing the same values you do in your campaign, then America would be a much better place.

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  10. Thank you. I really don't want to be labeled like I did to myself by running as a Republican. I hope that as I move forward, both conservative and liberal people will appreciate my candidacy. Tonight is election night. I don't expect to win, but you can expect me to be working on a very original "campaign" over the next four years and a return in 2014.

    Take care Calvin. See you in 2014!

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